Ibrahim Ali, you blatantly called on Muslims to burn Bibles here in Malaysia, if this were to have been said by some non Muslim about the Koran it would have wrecked havoc the world over, you'd see demonstrations, and maybe even killings such is the response, that is the typical reaction we would have witnessed, not that I am saying all Muslims are that way but that would have been the general reaction from Beirut to Jakarta, from New York to London the world over and that is a fact.
If it was done in the Muslim world the man who said such a thing about the Koran would be no more, and yet you have the double standards, it is all right for you people to say anything you like, as you like attacking other peoples sacred beliefs, and I suppose you are right the Federal constitution guarantees the freedom of speech and expression but when anybody else uses this freedom in such circumstances you cry for blood, you ask for that that person be charged and killed, what is this in you I wonder. It's not only me who is trying to figure this out it is the whole world, why is it you feel that you are the only people in the world who are given an Allah given right to do such things, abuse others, use others, defile other peoples beliefs and places of worship, and that is all right as though you are the only righteous people in this whole world, and the others owe you all the respect for it.
I am glad the great majority of Muslim s do not subscribe to your narrow way of thinking, just like most Christians do not subscribe to Christian fundamentalism
In fact you will protests about any non Muslim who even whispers something about Islam some 20,000 miles away, the protests following that incident by Muslims in Kuala Lumpur would have been led by none other than you, and that too is a fact, but you see we the Christians do not deal with such issues in that way. Now imagine what would have happen if I shared this piece with the people in countries like Holland, New York, London and Australia, I do not intend to, you see I am a Christian and that is not how we respond.
We will not stoop to do what you have done, we are different we are Christians. You see Our Lord Jesus Christ asked us to love those who persecute us, who tell lies about us, who do bad things to us, for there is no greatness in loving those who love you, even the biggest crooks in the world do so, even the most wicked in the world love those who love them, so there is nothing great in that. I'd rather stop as you may interpret it as proselytising one of the things you accuse us of doing and one of the reasons you say why you do not want us to use the word Allah in our Malay Bibles.
You called for the burning of Bibles because you claim that there is a group who tried to proselytise Muslims, which you really know is totally fabricated and I have a strange feeling you are the one who is spinning this rumour, fed by your sponsor to try and unite Malays using religion, don't let him use you this way.
Proseltyisng of Christians in rural and poor areas by offering monitory reward has been the order of the day and since it does happen it must be reciprocal, you can't claim a right only for yourself and your beliefs alone, our beliefs are sacred to us too and the constitution of this country guarantees every citizen regardless of race or creed the freedom of religion.we do not stop Christians from embracing the Islamic faith the world over not only in Malaysia, so why do think you are entitled to this right alone especially in a country where the constitution guarantees freedom of religion to all including the Muslims?
Christians who embraced Islam like the wife of Abdullah Ahmad Badawi proudly acknowledge that they have done so, and yet sometimes we get you people going after dead bodies claiming the person converted to Islam, and that too is something their spouses never know, it is really baffling, have you ever sat down and pondered why would a person embrace a religion and keep it secret? Would he not want to tell his closest relatives at least about it if he did really embrace the religion for the love of it?
Well of course in this country if a Muslim embraces another religion that is a different story, ,he will not tell you or any other Muslim till he gets close enough to trust you because he would still want to share the joy of the other religion with his close ones as it is a belief system, it is about God, but he will be very careful telling it to a Muslim, and you know why he will not tell you, in case you don't please ask me and I'll tell you why.
Your arrogance in part stems from the support and encouragement you have been accorded by Tun Dr. Mahahtir Bin Mohammed the former Prime Minster of Malaysia, our beloved country, and a man who has rather unsuccessfully tried to portray himself as a "moderate Muslim," for the entire Allah issue was created by him rather than by the less intelligent ministers who once served him in government as many may believe, for they are but pawns he uses for his own purpose to this day just like he does you.
In fact on the day you issued your call to burn Christian Bibles he delivered the Key Note address at the meeting of your NGO Perkasa. He is seen as it's main sponsor I'd like to let the world know how deceptive this person is . In fact the world already does but I need to just show them that he has not really changed his views and his dubious ways.
Inciting sectarian violence and using religion for political ends have been the domain of such people, for them the ends justifies the means, and you naive as you are (I am trying to be polite here) you are the tool of this man he has read you like a book and he uses you at every corner, he is famous for this and that is why Nazri a minister from his own cabinet once referred to him as a "bloody racist."
Now we on the other hand are aggrieved at what you said, but remember that Christians used the term Allah long before the Muslims did, I do not think you have the mental capacity to understand that so I am not going to pursue that with you.
I know that like me, you believe that Allah was the creator of the whole Universe and everything that is in it and that includes you and me unless of course you choose believe otherwise.
Now if you believe that, then it is the same Allah that made you and me what is wrong in my calling upon the same Allah?
If anybody should have got angry and sentimental UMNO style, it should have been the early Christians and others who used to pray to Allah before the Muslims as the Allah predates Islam, but that can't be the case and everyone including the Muslims of early days and even today understand that, Allah is God and as such no one can claim aright to Allah.
Allah cannot and should not be made an issue, it is blasphemous, Allah is above all these things and we should not draw Allah into petty squabbles especially if it is meant for political ends, that is the signature of your mentor, he uses anything even Allah for his own ends.
We shall ask all Christian faithful to pray for you, to pray that you understand better and get out of this darkness that blinds you so that you shall be able to see the light. That is what we are commanded to do.
We shall pray for you to be a better Muslim, like the others I know.
We do not really blame you, how can we? I don't think anybody really does, not you and I'll tell you why.
We realise your shortcomings, Nazri once told us you talk only nonsense and no one takes you seriously, that is why you are not arrested for all these outbursts, any other Malaysian I suppose would have been arrested but we know the Chief Mufti of Perak got off Scot free for his inciting trouble agaisnt the Christians as well, so Nazri can't be correct, if I said or did something, something far lesser agaisnt the Muslims the Minister of Home Affairs would have had me arrested immediately as a threat to the nation, but you see it is not in my Christian upbringing to say things against your faith and your beliefs.
Anybody else in Malaysia would have been arrested, you are the only one left off the hook, and there can only be two reasons, one is you are used by some really very powerful people, the other is like Nazri would have us believe, you are so stupid, that you are the only one in the country to be given this exception, and I beg to differ with Nazri, it can't be only you, for now there seems to be group distributing flyers asking people to attend the burning of Bibles in Butterworth this Sunday.
So you see there are others like you too, and so Nazri can't be completely right.
I'll try and make sense with you, the word Allah is Arabic, it is also the Malay word for God, and it has been used in Malay Bibles since the 16th Century, it is used by Christians the world over and your excuse, which is this government's excuse as well is that, "it will confuse the Malay Muslims."
Well it has never confused the millions of Indonesians, the Bangladeshis, the Arabs and the rest of the Muslim world thus far, and from the 16th century to this day it has not confused the Malays, are you now telling us that the Malays have gone backward since our independence under this Barisan Nasional Government that they now can't reason as well as they did then?
We Malaysians always thought the Malaysian Muslims we were far more progressive and tolerant and moderate as some people would describe us, I believe so too to this day, but elements like you, the scumbag of our society with the backing of the government of the day, and coupled with police protection go about with a free reign promoting violence agaisnt the Christians for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
As a non Muslim let me give you this advice, say and do whatever you want if you do not like us, but do not use religion to back you up, do not use Islam to gain support for what you are saying and for yours and the selfish ends of your political ends.
You have now turned to use religion to turn Muslim agaisnt Muslim this is being done because you are afraid PAS and PKR will oust UMNO, but believe me they will not harm you, you were once kicked out of UMNO, Mahahtir as you know never really liked you, all he is doing is knowing you he is using you, the same way he used all Malays and that is why the Malays are turning away from UMNO.
You too should leave UMNO, once they win you will be a nuisance to them, if Nazri can have us believe you are a fool right now you shoudl know what to expect if they get what they want from you. I am not telling you to join PKR or PAS you can vote the BN for all we care, but watch out they are going to dump you again, and they have made no secret that they think you are fool, Nazri once said, "nobody takes you seriously," and that is actually the truth.
Now Ibrahim my friend let me let you read what your Holy Prophet said about us Christians, in fact you as a Muslim are warned by the Prophet on how to treat Christians;
Islam's Holiest prophet - The Prophet Muhammed had this to say;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhakamails/message/4917
"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them,
because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against
anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed
from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to
destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything
from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and
disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure
charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The
Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a
Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be
prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be
respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the
sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."
The question I wish to ask is; Are you Ibrahim Ali a Muslim?
Ref: Dr. Muqtedar Khan is Director of Islamic Studies at the University of Delaware and a fellow of the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding.
Ibrahim Ali is nothing.He is just a puppet. He is just a coolie working under directions from UMNO. In actual fact what UMNO dare not utter openly they just out-source it to this bloke. So, don't expect any affirmative action from the authorities. UMNO still thinks that the general public, including those in the kampongs, are stupid. Treat this IA and the others like dogs barking in the wilderness.
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ReplyDeleteu r free to use my articles uncensored. you are on my bookmark. i read your articles. tqvm..........ariff aka sakmongkol
Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. Mark Twain
ReplyDeleteMy empathy in reading a remark engendered by an ethnic surgeon who placed his surgical examination unfeigned to dissect the civil servants in bodied of 'Malay race' and 'Malay racism'. It is an attempt to supersede his bewilderment onto others without realizing that he himself displaying a racially egocentric mentality.
He translates that the domination of Malay in civil servants which is not proportionated by population of ethnicity. He calls from his social-operating theater that the Malay dominion is racially scandalized and structurally constructed by Malay Umno. The analogy is to enervate the readers, the system in the civil servant has been haunted by Umno abode. Thinking that Umno has its monopolistic influences over the the running of the civil servants. I think, it is a ridiculous conjecture from so-called professional chauvinism to racist minded.
His insinuation, the ethnic Malay dominance in civil servant is equated to 'Malay supremacy.' By and large, the surgeon during his in-housed training had inspired him to vote out with his feet to exit from the environment of 'racism' seemingly his unravelling solution while writing his piece.
He is a dreamer of ideal in person and a medical doctor in profession. He dreams for an Utopian environment of non segregated society. In reality, he knows he has been living in a fragmented society, nothing more in calling a view of an immigrant mentality. An absurd view as many think of him for not acknowledging the reality of racial evolution. A society which already in a water-tied situation thus fragmented by racial lines.
An enigma on no matter how he sees and explores it, the majority Malay in the civil servant is going to be in dominating numbers in years to come. On his operation theater then, he could witness for himself the larger numbers of Malay patients he operated was not realized.
His sweeping statements are reflection of his deceptive views without considering the inevitable evolution of the institution. Projecting out his presumption is an unwise consumption for the receivables. In fact, his agitation has instigated the peace loving people of this country especially the ethnic Malays.
With much realization, the Malay presence-dominion is still a prevailing factor in the institution of the civil servants . This equation in its composition the surgeon compares the administration is neared to Nazism and of Apartheid. Well said and done , he forgot the ethnic imbalance of the institution was inherited as the result of the divide and rule policies by the British colonialism. Above all, the majority of non ethnic Malay were not interested and inclined to be the servants of the Government.
Race and racism are different in identities. We can acknowledge racism but being a racist is a different matter, so thus by its definition and norms.Like the Jews and Zionism are different in their connotation, as its in translation and interpretation. Continue...
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ReplyDeleteHow would this surgeon envisage, the non ethnic Malay is the dominant ownership in our domestic economy? Would he want to name them that their economic dominance is Racist or just being Chauvinistic? They were named the Jews of the East, these oversea non ethnic Malays were accused of plundering and controlled the wealth, capitals and economy of the South-East Asian countries. They, by now are already the citizens of their countries but many still bear the immigrant minds. These uncultivated, an antagonized questions and statements are no better than what the surgeon is insinuating.
In fact, the surgeon must be holistic in his views and not being trapped in egocentrism. By virtue of our socio- economic racial evolution, we have to admit we generally are disunited. We have to move forward in our thinking. Unity comes with values of education and wisdom. It may takes hundred of years but with our acceptance and tolerance, our dreams for some sort of unity will come through for an accommodation of our socio-economic and political horizon. But the fundamental prerequisite for unity and progress is our equal responsibility to surely maintain our Political Stability.
Malaysian as a whole must appreciate our non ethnic Malay brethren dominance in our domestic economy which evolutionarily constitute to the fundamental pillar to our Nation buildings. With further commitment of even economic and financial policies of the proven Administration, we will experience further growth in our economy. The pleasure for more social interface among the races. With the intensity of our domestic economic policies and road map , we will meet our socio-economic nearer to equilibrium among the races in very near future.
Appreciation is also be given to our ethnic Malay brethren, being dominance in the administrative institution of civil servants, a responsibility to serve the people, to defense the country, maintain law and order, to put out fire, to give education, to nurse the sick, to feed the country, and above all, being contented as the underpaid salary earners are also the fundamental pillars to Nation buildings.
As for now, united ethnic Malay and non ethnic Malay are justified with its justification. These justification are equal to One United Malaysian by earning in bonding privilege and the righteousness of Education and Wisdom. These, we together have to learn and live with.
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ReplyDeleteBe careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. Mark Twain
My empathy in reading a remark engendered by an ethnic surgeon who placed his surgical examination unfeigned to dissect the civil servants in bodied of 'Malay race' and 'Malay racism'. It is an attempt to supersede his bewilderment onto others without realizing that he himself displaying a racially egocentric mentality.
He translates that the domination of Malay in civil servants which is not proportionated by population of ethnicity. He calls from his social-operating theater that the Malay dominion is racially scandalized and structurally constructed by Malay Umno. The analogy is to enervate the readers, the system in the civil servant has been haunted by Umno abode. Thinking that Umno has its monopolistic influences over the the running of the civil servants. I think, it is a ridiculous conjecture from so-called professional chauvinism to racist minded.
His insinuation, the ethnic Malay dominance in civil servant is equated to 'Malay supremacy.' By and large, the surgeon during his in-housed training had inspired him to vote out with his feet to exit from the environment of 'racism' seemingly his unravelling solution while writing his piece.
He is a dreamer of ideal in person and a medical doctor in profession. He dreams for an Utopian environment of non segregated society. In reality, he knows he has been living in a fragmented society, nothing more in calling a view of an immigrant mentality. An absurd view as many think of him for not acknowledging the reality of racial evolution. A society which already in a water-tied situation thus fragmented by racial lines.
An enigma on no matter how he sees and explores it, the majority Malay in the civil servant is going to be in dominating numbers in years to come. On his operation theater then, he could witness for himself the larger numbers of Malay patients he operated was not realized.
His sweeping statements are reflection of his deceptive views without considering the inevitable evolution of the institution. Projecting out his presumption is an unwise consumption for the receivables. In fact, his agitation has instigated the peace loving people of this country especially the ethnic Malays.
With much realization, the Malay presence-dominion is still a prevailing factor in the institution of the civil servants . This equation in its composition the surgeon compares the administration is neared to Nazism and of Apartheid. Well said and done , he forgot the ethnic imbalance of the institution was inherited as the result of the divide and rule policies by the British colonialism. Above all, the majority of non ethnic Malay were not interested and inclined to be the servants of the Government.
Race and racism are different in identities. We can acknowledge racism but being a racist is a different matter, so thus by its definition and norms.Like the Jews and Zionism are different in their connotation, as its in translation and interpretation. Continue...
We have people who strongly support such destructive actions of PERKASA and Ibrahim Ali, and then accuse others of & condemn others for misunderstanding their religion. Interesting world, eh?
ReplyDeleteBy the way, since PERKASA has made lots of noise on SUARAM's source of fund, will they also reveal their own source of funding? Is it personally funded by IbAli himself, Mahathir the son of an illegal immigrant, UMNO, or, *gulp*, George Soros?